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  • #46139

    scudie
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    Just got hold of a 3w1 to have a play with. Seems pretty much all there. The lock has been changed at some point & the key does not fit.  Some one has fitted what I think is a resistor to the motor wiring circuit, strangely it appears to have the same voltage both sides of the resistor? Am inclined to remove it ? Anyone have any ideas?

    #46140

    scudie
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    Have given it a bit of a clean so far, the lighting transformer works and the motor has life although something sounds dry so stripping the unit to give it a thorough clean and lube. Have not had much experience with these. Anything I should pay particular attention to? The photo below shows the crudely added resistor.

    Cheers Scudie

    #46141

    scudie
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    Spotted this earlier was wondering if anyone had an explanation to this, it seems strange as the three orange wires that are soldered to the switch have been bridged together, making the switch of no use.

    #46142

    Sooner
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    #46143

    scudie
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    Thanks for the info Steve

    Have just had a bit of a browse on the site, I spotted and read with interest,  your posts regarding incorect  selections on the SC1, when using Album selections.

    Have made some progress with the 3W1, Regarding the lock, I had spotted a brass plug that’s on the side of the lock barrel,  I figured that if I drilled a 2mm hole in the middle of the brass plug that maybe I would be able to screw in a self tapping screw & then be able to pull out the plug, with this removed I was able to strip the lock, swap the seven brass pins around to suit the key. Unfortunately I was short  of three pins of the correct length, so made three new pins out of some 3mm brazing rod, once this had been reduced in thicknes so as to fit the lock  I cut the three new pins out of it and reassembled the lock. The key now fits a treat.

    I have removed cleaned and lubed the  motor & all of its associated gears, and also the credit unit wheel, have  also removed freed and cleaned the credit solenoid pins so they now activate the credit switches. I have presently removed the resistor that had been added at some stage of its life. This part looks to have been added fairly recently &   is pictured in the above photos, if any one can give me a good reason for refitting it I will. The motor and mech now run much smoother & quieter.

    I have done a bit of research on the switch with the three orange wires I believe this to be called the three cicuit switch. From studying the manual there appears to be three wiring diagrams that are serial number dependent, the first two diagrams do not have  a three circuit switch, and several photos of 3w1’s that I have looked at all have the three cicuit switch terminals bridged together. Looks like a commonly carried out mod. So will leave well alone.

    Have a bit of an idea for a box for all the bits& bobs to go in & maybe a pair of speakers?

    Chears Scudie

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    #46145

    scudie
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    Hello to anyone who is reading this. I have posted the querie about the switch with the orange wires on a forum  recommended by Sooner { jukebox addicts }  & have been told that the purpose of the switch with the 3 orange wires is a anti cheat device, & that if the wires that bridge it out are also orange that it was probably a factory done job, if I understand Ron correctly if the machine was to be used in a commercial setting which I would assume most were & if you thought some one was cheating the system the engineer would cut the bridging wires the anti cheat switch would then come into operation.

    So it sounds to me that it’s should be fine to have it either bridged or not, and in home use it may as well stay bridged.

    Cheers Scudie

    #46146

    Sooner
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    As for speakers I would probably do something with Bluetooth since the 3W1 doesn’t have any built in. That gives a little more freedom as to where you put them and the sound will probably be a little better (no buzzing).  I have a pair of drive-in speaker that I added a Bluetooth receiver/amplifier to that work pretty well. Got the receiver/amplifier directly from China off eBay. My home stereo also has a Bluetooth capable amplifier so I can connect to that too.

    #46147

    scudie
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    Good evening.   Ideally I would like to have a box with all of the conversion parts inside, including a pair of speakers & also to have the option of connecting by Bluetooth if so desired. The box if seen  needs to be aestheticaly pleasing to the eye and some how look to be relevant to the wallbox & or music.

    I really like the look of your drive in speakers, I would like a set myself, I can’t imagine them being easy to get hold of over hear in the uk, but will keep my eye out on eBay. Not had much time to spend on my own projects recently as I have been replacing concrete paths at my parents home. Hopefully  I should be able to get a few hours in the next week. Watch this space.

    Cheers Scudie

    #46148

    Sooner
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    There are lots of them on eBay. I’m sure some of the sellers will ship to the UK  but don’t know how much shipping would be. If you get an unrestored set plan on replacing the speakers and potentiometers. Here’s where I got replacement parts. They have speakers too. https://www.detroitdiecast.com/

    I’ll be interested to see if you can fit everything inside the wallbox. Is the coin mechanism removable?

    #46149

    scudie
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    Hi Yes I had a look allready, and have seen the company you mentioned, the problem for me buying from the States is we have to factor in the price of the merchandise + import tax + the price of postage from the states (which only gets it to the Royal Mail facility at Gatwick airport London) + Royal Mails charge for handling to its destination. + VAT at 20% on all of the above total.

    It can make things rather expensive.

    I wasn’t intending to fit any of the conversion components into the 3w1 but into a separate unit, Of my own design.

    cheers Scudie

    #46150

    Sooner
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    I forgot about VAT and customs taxes. Now I remember paying almost double the price for some shirts I purchased from the US when I lived in London. Ouch!  Maybe you can find a seller that will either send something as a gift to avoid VAT and customs?  Maybe get something unrestored/inexpensive and source replacement speakers and pots from the UK.

    I think if I had to put components in a separate box  I would probably build something the wallbox can hang from. Sort of an “L” shape with the box part either in the back or bottom depending on whether I was going to mount it on a wall for set it on a table.

    #46151

    scudie
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    Hi Steve,  Was wondering,  from looking at the photos the central box on top of the post looks to be the largest part of the drive in speaker assembly,  if  this part can be dismantled approximately how large / big would the indervidually sections be.

    Thinking if my mate could bring one back in pieces over a period of trips to Los Angeles?

    Cheers Scudie

    #46152

    Sooner
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    Here are some photos to give you an idea. The junction box on mine is larger than many because it has a light. That came in handy because there was enough room to put the Bluetooth receiver/amplifier inside.  If taken apart the pieces are smaller than the speakers. Everything could be fit inside someone’s luggage if they had some extra room. You probably would want to get a base and pole locally.

    #46153

    scudie
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    Thanks for the photos, yours looks to be of a different design to the ones I have seen on EBay. I guess that back in the day there would have been many different  makes / models of drive in speakers. Your speakers look about 6 inch square is that correct?

    Will have a chat with my pal & check if he’s willing to bring the parts back home in his luggage. Excluding the pole approximately what would you think it weighs?

    Cheers Paul

     

    #46154

    Sooner
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    Yes many different brands. Different versions of some brands too. I’ve seen mine with zero to three lenses. My speakers are 5″x7.5″x5″ and weign about 2 1/4 pounds each. The junction box probably weighs a little less than a speaker.

    #46155

    scudie
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    Thanks Steve.   I will be definitely having a chat with my mate to see if I can get a set over here,  if a speaker weighs 2 1/4 lb and the centre unit less than that he should have no problem weight wise. It wouldn’t matter to me if he brought pieces back over three trips.

    Had a couple of hours on the 3w1, I removed the buttons & the illumination Perspex piece,  also removed and cleaned the contacts of the letter & number switches. Cleaned and polished the buttons & the Perspex illumination plate this was scratched & very dull, apparently it does not distribute the light well if dull so I have given it a polish with some glass polish which cleaned it up a treat. One of the mounting holes was broken off so got the super glue & powder out again which although black seems to have come up trumps again.

    Touch wood everything appears to be working so far, have bought a refinishing decal for the instruction plate that sits at the bottom of the selection pages, also need to get the green plastic select lense as this is missing. Will try to get it hooked up to a wb2mp3 unit this week to see how it goes.

    Cheers Scudie

    #46158

    Sooner
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    Looks good. I might have to do one of those myself.

    #46159

    scudie
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    Have done a SD card configured for the 3w1 with 100 selections on it, ( no random stuff)  & printed the selections list, and connected it up to a test rig I built,  this  has speakers in it.  So far so good it’s playing each selection as it should.

    Cheers Scudie

    #46160

    scudie
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    Hi Steve,  on your video of one of your Sc1 boxes it shows you pressing a coin that’s in the coin entry area  to receive a credit, what type of adhesive did you use ? I am guessing that you glued a coin to the button of a momentary switch.

    I have found the  3w1 is very simple to work on, there is obviously less to it than a SC1   and as there is no complicated  credit unit a doddle after looking at a V3wa.

    Cheers Scudie

     

    #46161

    Sooner
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    I used some clear 5 minute epoxy to glue the dime to the switch. Hot glue would probably work just as well.  Are you planning to put a switch in the coin slot of your 3W1 or SC?

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