[Scudie]

Good evening Gus

Finally got round to looking into free play on the 3wa, if  you have a plug on your credit unit it is easy remove the plug and put a jumper wire from the ground terminal on the socket to the fourth terminal on the lower row.

Cheers Scudie

[Scudie]

Hi Bobwiley

Had a thought earlier if you wanted to rule out the credit unit you could disconnect the plug from the socket and put a jumper wire from the ground connection to the fourth hole on the lower row.

The ground terminal is bigger than the others.

Cheers Scudie

[Scudie]

Hi Bobwiley

I built my self a basic test rig, it’s just a transformer an inline fuse a switch and a couple of 24v lamps. Drawn a diagram of it, have found it useful when trying to find faults. If connected as in the diagram the signal lamp flashes as the wiper sweeps the selector plate. If you have an I phone apparently you can video in slow motion so can count the flashes. If not  you can tell the difference between 1 flash and ten.

I am not 100% sure about this but think that the switch you refer to was only on Half Dollar models.

Hope this makes sense.

Cheers Scudie

 

[Scudie]

I had a similar issue with an SC1 which had no credit unit when I got it.

After studying the the diagram in the manual I figured that the number signal circuit went through the credit unit ( but not letters ) not sure if this applies  to a 3wa .

I will have study the manual & connect my 3wa up to a power supply, will try to do it later.

Cheers Scudie

[Scudie]

Hi Bobwiley

I use 3 in one oil, to lube anything that moves, the motor on one of my Seeburgs was really  gummed up not sure if it was a 3w1 or a 3wa  I remember removing the motor completely disassembling it as much as I could used plenty of WD 40 on it to initially get things moving and soften the solidified oil / grease. Reassembled it using the 3in 1 oil.

Apparantly they make a 3in 1 that is specifically for motors, I think it has a blue and white tin rather than the multi purpose oil which is in a red & white tin, have only seen the motor oil for sale in the States.

Where in the world are you?

I found a small dentist type mirror aproximately 20mm in diameter very useful for inspecting the gaps on the Carry over & the Credit cancel switch’s

Cheers Scudie

Cheers Scudie

[Scudie]

Good Morning Bob

If it was me the first thing I would want to sort out is why when 2 or more credits are established that the wiper arm on the selection plate cycles without any selection being made.

If your wallbox is set up same as  mine each selection that is made uses 2 credits, a quarter should register 6 credits Ie 3 selections, a dime would give 2 credits so one selection, a nickel only one credit so no selection should be possible until another nickel is deposited giving another credit so a total of 2 credits  & 1 selection possible.

When 2 or more credits are established the wiper arm should only move from the stand by position to the credit position and then stop until both a number and a letter have been selected. If no more credits are established at the end of the cycle the wiper arm should return and stop at the standby position,  if 2 or more credits remain after a selection cycle the wiper arm should stop in the credit position.

Page 9 of the manual details how to check and adjust as  nesseccary several multi blade switches that are either opened by the action of the motor driven cam or by the pressing of the selection switches.

This would be where I would start by checking each of these switches as per the instructions on page 9.

Cheers Scudie

[Scudie]

Thanks Sooner

I had a play with the software this evening and after a few try’s got it to save as the custom version which is there when I open the software for printing out the strips.

Have asked Gaëlle if she can introduce some more designs to the software.

Thanks Again

Scudie

[Scudie]

Hi Sooner

Slightly confused by the last bit, did you mean it’s still listed as yellow in the program?

Cheers Scudie

[Scudie]

Hi Sooner

I bought half a dozen from Maplins electronics here in the Uk when they were having a closing down sale.

Not had any problems with soldering to them but it appeared it was causing an issue when operated, mostly cancelling multiple tracks when pressed and released.

I wondered if it was cancelling one on the downward press and one on release?

Ie not a clean on/off action thus causing the fault.

On a different subject have you ever tried customising the title strips as Klaatu suggested in his Post on the subject in the Tutorial heading ?

I tried, got as far as changing the colour but could not find how to put the file back into the wallbox2mp3 software.

Cheers Scudie

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[Scudie]

Hi

I forgot to ask does your 3WA have a plug in credit unit?

Will have a look into making a 3wa free play later and let you know.

Cheers Scudie

[Scudie]

Hi

if you take a look in the manual for the 3w1, on page 7 it shows the credit unit , one of the components on the drawing is labelled reset bracket, it is held in position with a small screw , remove the screw and bracket then either operate one of the coin switches or manually trigger one of the credit unit contacts.

Cheers Scudie

• This reply was modified 4 years ago by Scudie.

[Scudie]

Hi  Klaatu

Hope you and the family are well and staying safe.

It had not occurred to me that what I was suggesting would have legal ramifications & do not wish to be the cause of any legal problems for the forum.

May be it would be best for this post to be removed?

Scudie

[Scudie]

Morning  Jerry

Mine  is external,  it sits on top of a box  that has all the nesseccary components and a pair of speakers.

Not 100% sure about the software, it may be applicable to the software version you are using. I have not had the need for it so far.

[Scudie]

Nice Shiny chrome on that one, have you mounted the transformer & V1.4 internally or remotely ?

I am aware that the team have been developing newer versions of the software. Because of problems like this, the new software is enabled with the capacity to correct selections, if someone has a similar problem with the software you should be able to add a file to the SD card to correct the selection problem.

In this case theoretically  by adding a file M21.sel to the card, (M for minus) it should have corrected the problem, as it was 21 selections advanced.

Hope this makes sense.

Scudie

[Scudie]

Glad to hear your sorted, strange you have had a issue & mine is good!

Any photos of yours?

Scudie

[Scudie]

Hi Jerry

I would assume that if it does the same with both of your wallbox’s that it is unlikely that they are both at fault. Sounds like it may be a software issue?

Strange thing my 3w1 works fine without any problems.

Are you using a standard size SD? They don’t like the micro SD’s.

Try configuring an SD card again for a 3w1,  A1 should always be selection 1 where as A2 could be either selection 2 or 11 dependent on how the selection pages are set out, my 3w1 is numbered A1 to A10. B1 to ten on the opposite page.

If this has no effect you could try numbering the tracks from 22 to 122 before importing them into the software see if that has an effect.

Cheers Scudie

 

[Scudie]

Hi  Guillaum

i don’t speak French so had to translate, would help me if you posted in English.

If I understand correctly your wallbox had a fault on the signal circuit that you have now fixed and it now plays a selection when selection buttons are pressed?

But it is not playing the correct music ?

when you select A1 is it correct?

if not does it always play the same song if A1 is selected several times?

Does it play any music if any of the V selections are made ie V1 or V2 or V3?

Cheers Scudie

[Scudie]

Do you have 24volt bulb?

You can check the signal pulses with a 24v bulb and some wire, connect one side of the bulb to the 25vac terminal and the other side of the bulb to the signal connection.

Make a selection as the wheel revolves the bulb should flash as it passes over the contacts. Or if you have a test meter with an audible continuity option you could connect one probe to chassis / ground and the other to signal.

with the power off & the selection buttons pressed, if you advance the selector wheel manually you should get a audible signal as it travels over contacts.

Cheers Scudie

 

[Scudie]

Hi

So J101 is the connection socket for the credit unit plug, what I understand to be called the playrack in the manual.

The selector wheel on all the makes & models I have worked on so far have made one complete revolution once the selection button/ buttons are pressed.

So if you were to manually advance your selector wheel to its no credit position with the power off, then turn the power on nothing should happen to the selector wheel untill you put the bridge in to J101 at this point the selector wheel should advance a little to the credit position at which point the selection button can be pressed and they should latch after the second button is pressed the selector wheel should make one complete revolution returning to the same position as it started from before the selection was made, ie the credit position.

If you were to remove the bridge at this point then make a selection the wheel would advance but stop short of its starting point, it would now be in its home position ie no credits.

Cheers Scudie

[Scudie]

Hello Guillaum

As I mentioned in a previous post I do not own a 5220 or 5225 so I have no experience with them, but I will try my best to help you as much as I can.

This bridge you have installed on J101, what is J101? Is there any pictures of this in the manual.

You say 2nd row between 2& 3  please explain 2nd row of what ?

Cheers Scudie

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