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Here’s a bit of an update on the progress of the 3WA.
I configured several Sd cards using both the latest software that’s currently available and an old version that I have had for at least 3 years, none of these had the desired affect, ie #6 was still played when #5 selections were chosen.
I tried multiple configurations of different manufacturers and models, none of which improved things, so I reverted back to the initial SD that was configured with the latest software & used the Seeburg 3WA option.
I then took another look at the signal pulse from the 3wa I noticed that when # 5 selections were made I was getting the correct 5 pulses & also a faint pulse just before the wiper arm came to rest it didn’t appear to do it on #4 or #6 selections.
Cleaning the contact disc and wiper made no difference neither did checking and adjustment of the wiper, the next adjustment on page 6 of the manual covers latch bar adjustment after going through this process hey presto the # 5 selections played as they should, that is untill L or any subsequent letter was chosen when it would repeat the K selection.
I initially thought this was down to the adjustment of the three latch bar screws, further investigation found that infact a wire had broken off the right hand end of the top row of switches and once this was re connected the L -V selections were reinstated.
I am currently working my way through the 200 selections and so far so good👍
Ok so I been trying to solve the problem of none of the number 5 tracks being played, as previously mentioned any letter and 5 selections result in the corresponding letter and 6 track being played.
So far I have not been able to rectify this fault but have found a strange problem.
As I had checked that the 3wa was sending the correct signal for the five selections, I turned to the sd card to make sure that I hadn’t got a duplicate of MP3 files for the 5 & 6 selections, all was OK in this department, also checked the files on the sd so they match the selection list that I had printed out.
What I did notice though was that the cnf file code for random music / wallbox make & model was not a Seeburg code, on checking the list of cnf codes I realised that the Sd had been configured for a Rockola 1555, I immediately thought that I had made a mistake when I chosen the wallbox type from the list, so formatted the sd and started again.
After going through the process of configuring the SD card again (paying particular attention to the make and model!)
Checked again the cnf file code & instead of reading c0s02.cnf for the 3wa it read coo04.cnf for the Rockola 1555, very strange.
Ok so I have an update on the performance of my 3wa, as I said in one of the previous posts that all appeared to be working fine, well yesterday evening I became aware that all is not quite right.
All selections from A1 to & including V4 ( the first 80 tracks) play correctly.
Any selections from A5 to V5 are wrong, What I actually get if A5 is selected is A6.
Its the same for any of the letter & 5 selections, B5 plays B6, C5 plays C6, D5 plays D6 and so on.
Once I move on from the number 5 selections the tracks are played as they should be, so A6 plays A6, B6 plays B6, C6 plays C6 & everything from there on appears to be correct. So it’s just the twenty number 5 selections that are the problem!
I have allready checked the pulse from the the 3wa & all appears to be correct with the signal pulse, when 5 is pressed I get 5 number pulses.
So if anyone has any ideas or suggestions?
Have just read your recent post regarding your 3wa, I can’t think what is causing your problem, what is mystifying is that my 3wa works fine using the 3wa selection on the software.
Also I have just viewed your two videos that you posted on March 29th one is shown as B1 and the other As B10 but when viewed the lamp appears to flash the same on both videos ?
It seems very strange that the 3wa varies its behaviour in different countries, it will be interesting to see how your 3WA behaves when you get it in France.
Sorry Cant help you with the Johnny Rocket 3W1 if i had one you would have been welcome to have borrowed it, are the Johnny Rockets replica 3w1’s the same as the Ed’s Easy diners ones that were made by Sound and Leisure ?
My V3wa seems to be working fine as far as I can tell, I have had the 3 WA on for at least a couple of hours most evenings this week. I certainly have all 200 selections that I should.
I configured the SD card for Seeburg V3WA using the software and Chose Seeburg 3WA 200 select from the list, with no random music, no problems with it playing the wrong songs.
Had a few hours over the last two days to have a look at my 3WA, have given it a thorough clean and lube, just configured an sd card with 200 selections on it appears to be playing all selections as it should. All the coin gear is still inside and its currently set up to take nickels dimes and quarters.
It’s a good idea to clean & lube any part of the mechanism that may be gummed up with dried out grease and dirt. Behind the large brass gear on the motor is a sprung loaded plunger that is prone to sticking, probably a motor off job to do though.
As it’s the same motor that turns the wiper arm that also releases the selection button mechanism, I would think that for some reason the wiper arm motor has maybe stopped part way through its cycle hence the buttons remaining in the pressed position.
This has got me thinking that I really should do something with my V3WA-D. So have dragged it out going to give the selection contacts & switches a thorough cleaning before I decide what to do with it.
- This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by Scudie.
Its good to hear that there appears to be a light at the end of the tunnel.
Ironically when I did a Wurlitzer 5250 & configured the Sd to match the wallbox, there was no songs played for any of the T U or V selections, I figured that the wb2mp3 unit was actually starting at D1 when A1 had been selected so in reality it played V1 when S1 was selected. After a lot of wasted time stripping and cleaning the contacts of the 5250 I configured an SD for a 200 select Rockola which sorted the problem in a fashion.
I don’t think there has ever been any firm ware updates for the wb2mp3, which version do you have? Last year after the V1.5 was released they did offer deal where they would do an exchange can’t remember the details.
Only time I have had stuttering was a faulty Sd card.
You could try configuring an sd for different make and model 200 select wall box’s and give them a try.
I never use the random play config as it appears to make the wb2mp3 unreliable.
That is very strange, as far as I know there would be nothing to change in the wall box to convert it to 160 plays, the 3wa that I have had the last two pages bolted to the page unit backing, apparently it was a common modification called a tie back, I assumed because it had been used in conjunction with a 160 selection jukebox, I guess that they worked on the theory that a customer would not select a letter and number combination that was not accessible/ visible on the pages.
If you are getting the same song for all of your B selections 1 through to 9 & you have proved that the signal changes as it should, then I would think that if your test light is lighting appropriately then the fault may be with your wb2mp3 unit.
I find it easier to use a soldering iron for soldering 😜
The first SC I had was missing its credit unit, speakers, slug rejector, so I was faced with the same problem. If you want the album select light to be iluminated you can by bridging numbers 7 & 11 on the credit unit socket.
As a matter of interest does your SC have black or white buttons?
How many screws hold the side glass chrome trim in place inside the front cover?
If you have removed the Apu10-56 credit unit because its defective or incomplete then you will have to bridge terminals 9&10 on the credit unit socket to complete the number selection circuit.
I was aware that Seeburg had built the con com as I have seen photos of them, infact a guy I have bought from advertised a large amount of wallbox’s & jukebox’s in one of the photos was one with the red button, by the time I got there at the weekend he had sold some of the items and it was gone.
I guess unless you also had the base unit it wouldn’t be of any use anyway.
In regards to the front cover I am not sure which is the earlier or later design, as all the covers for the SC and SCH models are interchangeable, you can’t rely on the serial number on the chassis.
I also noticed that this chrome cover differs in design to other Seeburg SC’s that I have seen, in particular in the way that the two side glasses are held in place, on all of my previous SC’s the chrome metal plate that holds the side glass in place is held by just two screws & by a tongue on the plate that locates in a slot on the front cover.
This one has no slots on the front cover and the lower section of the plate is clamped by a long 20 mm or so 3rd screw that holds a 90° angle to the side of the case.
- This reply was modified 2 months ago by Scudie.
Ok have now had chance to clean up the front cover for the SC. When I washed the cover the speaker grills came away I put them in some strong detergent over night, some of the glue and black paint from the cover washed off but the grills had patches of a yellow/gold colour that were still evident when viewed from the front.
I tried several different products to clean these patches off, I tried a couple of adhesive solvents but these had no affect, I eventually found that paint stripper did the trick.